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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-8919</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I agree with this idea for all of the reasons that you stated.  Health care costs would dramatically decrease if patients paid out-of-pocket for most medical care and saved insurance for major illness and injury.  Using health insurance for check-ups and colds, etc. is like using auto insurance for oil changes and tune-ups.  It doesn&#039;t make financial sense.  And, individuals and companies would prosper from not having to pay for high health insurance premiums.

I think many Americans are afraid of this idea because the responsibility shifts to the individual where, in my opinion, it should be.  We are ultimately responsible for our own health, after all.  Our choices and behavior largely affect our health (which is where adequate education comes in).  If Americans want to help the poor and unfortunate with their health care costs, then we can do so voluntarily through a charity.  Those receiving charity will be more grateful, and those giving charitably will benefit emotionally instead of feeling resentment.  

We are not entitled to health care.  Health care is a privilege, not a right.  Yes, if there were no insurance for less significant health care needs, doctors would have to deal with the burden of collections.  But, so does every business in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I agree with this idea for all of the reasons that you stated.  Health care costs would dramatically decrease if patients paid out-of-pocket for most medical care and saved insurance for major illness and injury.  Using health insurance for check-ups and colds, etc. is like using auto insurance for oil changes and tune-ups.  It doesn&#8217;t make financial sense.  And, individuals and companies would prosper from not having to pay for high health insurance premiums.</p>
<p>I think many Americans are afraid of this idea because the responsibility shifts to the individual where, in my opinion, it should be.  We are ultimately responsible for our own health, after all.  Our choices and behavior largely affect our health (which is where adequate education comes in).  If Americans want to help the poor and unfortunate with their health care costs, then we can do so voluntarily through a charity.  Those receiving charity will be more grateful, and those giving charitably will benefit emotionally instead of feeling resentment.  </p>
<p>We are not entitled to health care.  Health care is a privilege, not a right.  Yes, if there were no insurance for less significant health care needs, doctors would have to deal with the burden of collections.  But, so does every business in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Bill</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-7115</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I understand where you are coming, no insurance is an extreme example of solving this so called healthcare crisis.  The problem is that many diseases and conditions do not always present with signs or symptoms until late stages.  Diabetes is a prime example.  Without consistent and proper medical care and high patient compliance, a diabetic may never learn to take better care of themselves.  Heart disease and other internal issues are just as bad (and by your most recent post after your son declaring your weight problem, it sounds like your dietary and exercise regime will help reduce your diabetes, and heart disease risk). It can be hard enough to get these patient to return as instructed, let alone getting them in the office.  Patient pay individuals only go when a problem either exists long enough that they can no longer take the pain or discomfort, or someone like a spouse or their job or the DMV requires them.  

Patient pay is not the route to preventative medical care.  Patient pay might work for certain therapy programs, like physical/occupational/speech and help keep costs down.  And don&#039;t get started on the biggest insurance scam called Dental.  You might as well be patient pay if you need any, and i mean any, work done.  Vision insurance generally does very well for the patient especially when half of a family is blind, but can also be just as bad as dental (discount % plans).

I will attempt to follow this up with some Office finance/economics decisions that make insurance difficult for the health-care service industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I understand where you are coming, no insurance is an extreme example of solving this so called healthcare crisis.  The problem is that many diseases and conditions do not always present with signs or symptoms until late stages.  Diabetes is a prime example.  Without consistent and proper medical care and high patient compliance, a diabetic may never learn to take better care of themselves.  Heart disease and other internal issues are just as bad (and by your most recent post after your son declaring your weight problem, it sounds like your dietary and exercise regime will help reduce your diabetes, and heart disease risk). It can be hard enough to get these patient to return as instructed, let alone getting them in the office.  Patient pay individuals only go when a problem either exists long enough that they can no longer take the pain or discomfort, or someone like a spouse or their job or the DMV requires them.  </p>
<p>Patient pay is not the route to preventative medical care.  Patient pay might work for certain therapy programs, like physical/occupational/speech and help keep costs down.  And don&#8217;t get started on the biggest insurance scam called Dental.  You might as well be patient pay if you need any, and i mean any, work done.  Vision insurance generally does very well for the patient especially when half of a family is blind, but can also be just as bad as dental (discount % plans).</p>
<p>I will attempt to follow this up with some Office finance/economics decisions that make insurance difficult for the health-care service industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berry</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-4358</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;The second deals with a more abstract concept related to life, liberty, and happiness which our government and social institutions have a fundamental -requirement- to take into consideration.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Last time I checked, it was the pursuit of happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The second deals with a more abstract concept related to life, liberty, and happiness which our government and social institutions have a fundamental -requirement- to take into consideration.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Last time I checked, it was the pursuit of happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Choate</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-4357</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Choate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By definition, insurance is intended to compensate for catastrophic losses that we could not otherwise afford to bear.&quot;

Get a better dictionary.

Insurance is a mechanism to pool the cost of unpredictable and unavoidable happenstance. The finger of God if you will.

The point to having health care is actually two fold:

- You speak of catastrophic health issues, if you have regular health checks in many cases the catastrophy can be prevented or moderated to a condsiderable degree. Both in impact on the individual as well as to the total costs of the treatment.

- The second deals with a more abstract concept related to life, liberty, and happiness which our government and social institutions have a fundamental -requirement- to take into consideration. If a person is not healthy then their life and happiness are effected.

Business is nothing but a social institution created to enrich all of society, not just the officers and investors. Despite what many self-interested would suggest.

The old world view of &#039;greed is good&#039; and let the little man catch as catch can is defunct once we accept basic human rights coupled with democratic representation based on the equality of those rights, despite wealth or social standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By definition, insurance is intended to compensate for catastrophic losses that we could not otherwise afford to bear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Get a better dictionary.</p>
<p>Insurance is a mechanism to pool the cost of unpredictable and unavoidable happenstance. The finger of God if you will.</p>
<p>The point to having health care is actually two fold:</p>
<p>- You speak of catastrophic health issues, if you have regular health checks in many cases the catastrophy can be prevented or moderated to a condsiderable degree. Both in impact on the individual as well as to the total costs of the treatment.</p>
<p>- The second deals with a more abstract concept related to life, liberty, and happiness which our government and social institutions have a fundamental -requirement- to take into consideration. If a person is not healthy then their life and happiness are effected.</p>
<p>Business is nothing but a social institution created to enrich all of society, not just the officers and investors. Despite what many self-interested would suggest.</p>
<p>The old world view of &#8216;greed is good&#8217; and let the little man catch as catch can is defunct once we accept basic human rights coupled with democratic representation based on the equality of those rights, despite wealth or social standing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berry</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-2250</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubba,

Blaming physicians for the high cost of health care is tempting but wrong. Except for those few who practice purely elective specialties, individual doctors have absolutely no control over the price they receive for their services. Insurance companies and government agencies determine the reimbursement rates, and the only option the doctors have is to take it or leave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubba,</p>
<p>Blaming physicians for the high cost of health care is tempting but wrong. Except for those few who practice purely elective specialties, individual doctors have absolutely no control over the price they receive for their services. Insurance companies and government agencies determine the reimbursement rates, and the only option the doctors have is to take it or leave it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debbie:  Take a drive down Franklin and Reserve near &quot;the&quot; hospital.  Go up and down the residential streets.  Listen carefully.  That giant sucking sound is the woosh of money being sucked out of the pockets of commoners by the medical community.  Need to take the beemer in for service tomorrow.  &quot;NEXT&quot;&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie:  Take a drive down Franklin and Reserve near &#8220;the&#8221; hospital.  Go up and down the residential streets.  Listen carefully.  That giant sucking sound is the woosh of money being sucked out of the pockets of commoners by the medical community.  Need to take the beemer in for service tomorrow.  &#8220;NEXT&#8221;"!</p>
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		<title>By: Debi Kelly Van Cleave</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-2215</link>
		<dc:creator>Debi Kelly Van Cleave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wondering that myself, about how come we never ask the price for a medical procedure so we can compare and shop around maybe? Or even negotiate like customers try to negotiate with my husband when they buy flooring? All I know is I go in there and I&#039;m billed whatever they feel like billing me and I have to hope I have the money when I check out. And it&#039;s not fair because it&#039;s always higher than what the insurance companies pay. So I had to buy insurance that covers nothing. It&#039;ll help in a catastrophe but a chronic serious disease might still bankrupt us. I mostly got it so I&#039;d be charged the insurance companies&#039; prices. Routine visits are not affordable anymore. It&#039;s $75 just to walk in the door. My husband went for a check-up recently and they did some kind of test on him in the office that took five minutes and that bill was $300 WITH the insurance! Some people work a whole week for three hundred dollars and these are the people who are screwed the most--because they are not eligible for any kind of assistance but can&#039;t afford to pay on their own. Therefore, there are many Americans who just don&#039;t get health care. I&#039;ve been in that boat most of my life. I might be again because I don&#039;t know how much longer we can pay for insurance. We&#039;re in the blue-collar world. I know many people who are suffering with sickness but they can&#039;t afford medical care. Bush said people can go to any emergency room. Yeah, they&#039;ll stabilize you but then you&#039;ll go home to die of your cancer. You won&#039;t get treated and possibly cured.

And you know, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the doctors&#039; fault--they have incredible liability insurance bills plus school loans. Doctors aren&#039;t rich anymore. Forget telling your daughters to marry a doctor--tell them to marry a lawyer or a CEO of an insurance or pharmaceutical company! lol

www.GreenerPastures--ACityGirlGoesCountry.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering that myself, about how come we never ask the price for a medical procedure so we can compare and shop around maybe? Or even negotiate like customers try to negotiate with my husband when they buy flooring? All I know is I go in there and I&#8217;m billed whatever they feel like billing me and I have to hope I have the money when I check out. And it&#8217;s not fair because it&#8217;s always higher than what the insurance companies pay. So I had to buy insurance that covers nothing. It&#8217;ll help in a catastrophe but a chronic serious disease might still bankrupt us. I mostly got it so I&#8217;d be charged the insurance companies&#8217; prices. Routine visits are not affordable anymore. It&#8217;s $75 just to walk in the door. My husband went for a check-up recently and they did some kind of test on him in the office that took five minutes and that bill was $300 WITH the insurance! Some people work a whole week for three hundred dollars and these are the people who are screwed the most&#8211;because they are not eligible for any kind of assistance but can&#8217;t afford to pay on their own. Therefore, there are many Americans who just don&#8217;t get health care. I&#8217;ve been in that boat most of my life. I might be again because I don&#8217;t know how much longer we can pay for insurance. We&#8217;re in the blue-collar world. I know many people who are suffering with sickness but they can&#8217;t afford medical care. Bush said people can go to any emergency room. Yeah, they&#8217;ll stabilize you but then you&#8217;ll go home to die of your cancer. You won&#8217;t get treated and possibly cured.</p>
<p>And you know, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the doctors&#8217; fault&#8211;they have incredible liability insurance bills plus school loans. Doctors aren&#8217;t rich anymore. Forget telling your daughters to marry a doctor&#8211;tell them to marry a lawyer or a CEO of an insurance or pharmaceutical company! lol</p>
<p><a href="http://www.GreenerPastures--ACityGirlGoesCountry.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.GreenerPastures&#8211;ACityGirlGoesCountry.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ena Taylor</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-1959</link>
		<dc:creator>Ena Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most effective way to control healthcare costs is by restoring a more direct relationship between consumers and healthcare providers- It&#039;s really true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective way to control healthcare costs is by restoring a more direct relationship between consumers and healthcare providers- It&#8217;s really true.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I do not essentially disagree with the original observation.  Maybe the question I present is that we have too much &quot;insurance&quot;...either in reality or expectation.  Everyone would like to have the opportunity to select and affordable plan but in reality the only thing that makes any plan affordable is to increase the level of exclusions in one way or another.  Flip it over and look at it from the insurance company&#039;s view.  How can you write coverage for a premium of $X.00 a year and provide payments of $X+1.00?  And where is the medical community in this question also.  How about that DR with the So. Roa. mansion and the million dollar place at the lake/mountains and the stable full of high end imports.  Strikes me the group holding this country &quot;hostage&quot; in addition to the oil rich camel jockeys are the greedy medical practitioners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I do not essentially disagree with the original observation.  Maybe the question I present is that we have too much &#8220;insurance&#8221;&#8230;either in reality or expectation.  Everyone would like to have the opportunity to select and affordable plan but in reality the only thing that makes any plan affordable is to increase the level of exclusions in one way or another.  Flip it over and look at it from the insurance company&#8217;s view.  How can you write coverage for a premium of $X.00 a year and provide payments of $X+1.00?  And where is the medical community in this question also.  How about that DR with the So. Roa. mansion and the million dollar place at the lake/mountains and the stable full of high end imports.  Strikes me the group holding this country &#8220;hostage&#8221; in addition to the oil rich camel jockeys are the greedy medical practitioners.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/11/12/what-if-no-one-had-health-insurance/#comment-1872</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubba,

Chris is rather accurate in the observation that those with insurance are using it for everything, including those &#039;routine visits&#039;.  It&#039;s such an embedded part of our society that it&#039;s become part of the process of going to an appointment:  sign in, whip out the insurance card to make sure information is up to date, see your doctor and pay the miniscule co-pay.  We&#039;re accustomed to it... and, for most people, they believe that&#039;s why they have the insurance.  Certainly, it&#039;s not what is intended, but it is the perspective most people have.

On the other hand, people at lower financial levels do not have the fiscal means to provide for a simple checkup visit.  If it weren&#039;t for Federal and State programs, I would have a difficult time paying for the multiple visits (doctor, optometrist, dentist, etc.) my two sons need as part of their &#039;routine visits&#039;.  By difficult, I should elaborate by saying, I would be incapable of paying for all of them out of pocket, even with a payment plan... and I&#039;m in the higher end of the poverty bracket.  Honestly, I would prefer to have a more competitve insurance market where I can choose the plans I need and be able to afford them, instead of having to utilize the tax dollars of others to subsidize medical care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubba,</p>
<p>Chris is rather accurate in the observation that those with insurance are using it for everything, including those &#8216;routine visits&#8217;.  It&#8217;s such an embedded part of our society that it&#8217;s become part of the process of going to an appointment:  sign in, whip out the insurance card to make sure information is up to date, see your doctor and pay the miniscule co-pay.  We&#8217;re accustomed to it&#8230; and, for most people, they believe that&#8217;s why they have the insurance.  Certainly, it&#8217;s not what is intended, but it is the perspective most people have.</p>
<p>On the other hand, people at lower financial levels do not have the fiscal means to provide for a simple checkup visit.  If it weren&#8217;t for Federal and State programs, I would have a difficult time paying for the multiple visits (doctor, optometrist, dentist, etc.) my two sons need as part of their &#8216;routine visits&#8217;.  By difficult, I should elaborate by saying, I would be incapable of paying for all of them out of pocket, even with a payment plan&#8230; and I&#8217;m in the higher end of the poverty bracket.  Honestly, I would prefer to have a more competitve insurance market where I can choose the plans I need and be able to afford them, instead of having to utilize the tax dollars of others to subsidize medical care.</p>
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