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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with buses.  Currently in the United States, intercity buses have the bad image that they do because they are only used as a last resort by those who can&#039;t afford anything else.  If fuel prices reach the point where the equation changes and more middle class persons use buses, competition could very rapidly improve the level of service and atmosphere.  (There is a &quot;chicken and egg&quot; element, of course.)  There are many countries where this is the case.  Buses do not require anywhere near the level of infrastructure spending as passenger rail, especially anything approaching &quot;high speed.&quot;  And, there will always be gaps in passenger rail networks.  My opinion is that roads should be for persons and freight should be shipped by rail as much as possible.

My ideas on ride sharing are a little farther out.  I&#039;m not talking about hitch hiking.  I think it could grow out of social networking to facilitate interactions which are ad-hoc but with trust.  They are still fermenting, so I know I may not be expressing them well.  Whether due to global warming, peak oil, etc., the cost of travel in the future is going to shape our lives in ways we can&#039;t even think of yet.  Yes, I think much business travel could be done by teleconference, but I don&#039;t think personal travel will be unaffected.  Nothing can ever take the place of being there, but I think we have not yet realized the potential of communication which combines very high speed internet connections with large, HDTV monitors.

I should stress I&#039;m certainly not opposed to passenger rail returning to Roanoke.  We just need to think about how fundamental and radical changes could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with buses.  Currently in the United States, intercity buses have the bad image that they do because they are only used as a last resort by those who can&#8217;t afford anything else.  If fuel prices reach the point where the equation changes and more middle class persons use buses, competition could very rapidly improve the level of service and atmosphere.  (There is a &#8220;chicken and egg&#8221; element, of course.)  There are many countries where this is the case.  Buses do not require anywhere near the level of infrastructure spending as passenger rail, especially anything approaching &#8220;high speed.&#8221;  And, there will always be gaps in passenger rail networks.  My opinion is that roads should be for persons and freight should be shipped by rail as much as possible.</p>
<p>My ideas on ride sharing are a little farther out.  I&#8217;m not talking about hitch hiking.  I think it could grow out of social networking to facilitate interactions which are ad-hoc but with trust.  They are still fermenting, so I know I may not be expressing them well.  Whether due to global warming, peak oil, etc., the cost of travel in the future is going to shape our lives in ways we can&#8217;t even think of yet.  Yes, I think much business travel could be done by teleconference, but I don&#8217;t think personal travel will be unaffected.  Nothing can ever take the place of being there, but I think we have not yet realized the potential of communication which combines very high speed internet connections with large, HDTV monitors.</p>
<p>I should stress I&#8217;m certainly not opposed to passenger rail returning to Roanoke.  We just need to think about how fundamental and radical changes could be.</p>
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		<title>By: RoanokeRnR</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>RoanokeRnR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Buses, ride sharing, and simply not traveling long distance (using teleconferences with big screen, HDTVs) seem more practical to me.&quot;

I&#039;m talking passenger service for pleasure as well as business, so you can forget about buses, ride sharing and simply not traveling long distance.  Greyhound?  Shudder.  You&#039;re probably right though about Elliston not seeing a passenger station as incentive although I do think it could be, if done correctly with a shuttle bus going to Roanoke.  Better and closer than driving to Clifton Forge which has no Roanoke shuttle service.  Looks like Roanoke airport is in trouble and if they start cutting even more flights or worse this&#039;ll become  one depressed area.  Advance Auto is already starting what I think will be a pull-out in the future.  We need more travel options and I think passenger rail service is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Buses, ride sharing, and simply not traveling long distance (using teleconferences with big screen, HDTVs) seem more practical to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking passenger service for pleasure as well as business, so you can forget about buses, ride sharing and simply not traveling long distance.  Greyhound?  Shudder.  You&#8217;re probably right though about Elliston not seeing a passenger station as incentive although I do think it could be, if done correctly with a shuttle bus going to Roanoke.  Better and closer than driving to Clifton Forge which has no Roanoke shuttle service.  Looks like Roanoke airport is in trouble and if they start cutting even more flights or worse this&#8217;ll become  one depressed area.  Advance Auto is already starting what I think will be a pull-out in the future.  We need more travel options and I think passenger rail service is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the intermodal facility would be a boost to the region and that the Elliston site is the best location.  I agree with the idea of enticements.  Clearly, it would have been best to have such discussions before a formal proposal was made for the intermodal facility.  Though, I have doubts about whether it would&#039;ve worked then since most persons who live in rural areas don&#039;t want enticements or services.  Now that opposition has set in and the facility has become a &quot;hot potato&quot; that nobody else wants, I don&#039;t think any enticement will work.  

On passenger rail, it would be nice to see a station in downtown Roanoke.  I am skeptical, however, about how cost effective passenger rail -either intercity or urban- will ever be in the United States outside of a few very densely populated cities or corridors.  Buses, ride sharing, and simply not traveling long distance (using teleconferences with big screen, HDTVs) seem more practical to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the intermodal facility would be a boost to the region and that the Elliston site is the best location.  I agree with the idea of enticements.  Clearly, it would have been best to have such discussions before a formal proposal was made for the intermodal facility.  Though, I have doubts about whether it would&#8217;ve worked then since most persons who live in rural areas don&#8217;t want enticements or services.  Now that opposition has set in and the facility has become a &#8220;hot potato&#8221; that nobody else wants, I don&#8217;t think any enticement will work.  </p>
<p>On passenger rail, it would be nice to see a station in downtown Roanoke.  I am skeptical, however, about how cost effective passenger rail -either intercity or urban- will ever be in the United States outside of a few very densely populated cities or corridors.  Buses, ride sharing, and simply not traveling long distance (using teleconferences with big screen, HDTVs) seem more practical to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin: You&#039;re right that a passenger station would not be much of an incentive to the people of Elliston. I was simply agreeing with the earlier comment about it being a boost to the region. One positive side effect of rising gas prices is that passenger rail service may finally be an economically feasible business without the need for massive government subsidies.

As far as carrots are concerned, I don&#039;t know what kind of enticement it&#039;s going to take, but so far no one has bothered to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: You&#8217;re right that a passenger station would not be much of an incentive to the people of Elliston. I was simply agreeing with the earlier comment about it being a boost to the region. One positive side effect of rising gas prices is that passenger rail service may finally be an economically feasible business without the need for massive government subsidies.</p>
<p>As far as carrots are concerned, I don&#8217;t know what kind of enticement it&#8217;s going to take, but so far no one has bothered to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the people there don&#039;t want the intermodal facility, I doubt they would be happy to have a passenger station which would generate traffic, attract/serve many persons, require significant parking and have a footprint probably comparable to the intermodal facility.  And, it doesn&#039;t make sense (commuting time, environmental) to have a passenger rail station which is 20 miles from both Downtown Roanoke and Virginia Tech.

The carrot idea is a good one in concept.  However, the area has new schools and preservation of green space might be heard as limiting property rights and, there&#039;s not much development pressure there anyway.  A bike trail/greenway would be more popular with Roanoke/Salem and Blacksburg residents than locals, I believe.  The hiring preference is a good idea, but I don&#039;t know how practical or legally enforceable it would be.  And, of course, workers could just move to the area.  Even if there&#039;s a project which would be popular with locals, I doubt it would budge their opinion on the intermodal facility.  I&#039;m not really sure why it has generated such opposition since Rowe Furniture&#039;s large facility, which certainly generates truck traffic, was built across 460 from the site with no opposition I recall.  About the only thing that I think would soften opposition would be the support of former state Senator Madison Mayre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the people there don&#8217;t want the intermodal facility, I doubt they would be happy to have a passenger station which would generate traffic, attract/serve many persons, require significant parking and have a footprint probably comparable to the intermodal facility.  And, it doesn&#8217;t make sense (commuting time, environmental) to have a passenger rail station which is 20 miles from both Downtown Roanoke and Virginia Tech.</p>
<p>The carrot idea is a good one in concept.  However, the area has new schools and preservation of green space might be heard as limiting property rights and, there&#8217;s not much development pressure there anyway.  A bike trail/greenway would be more popular with Roanoke/Salem and Blacksburg residents than locals, I believe.  The hiring preference is a good idea, but I don&#8217;t know how practical or legally enforceable it would be.  And, of course, workers could just move to the area.  Even if there&#8217;s a project which would be popular with locals, I doubt it would budge their opinion on the intermodal facility.  I&#8217;m not really sure why it has generated such opposition since Rowe Furniture&#8217;s large facility, which certainly generates truck traffic, was built across 460 from the site with no opposition I recall.  About the only thing that I think would soften opposition would be the support of former state Senator Madison Mayre.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My impression is that the main protests are not from the individual property owners, but from other residents and from the Montgomery County Board of Supervisors. A centrally located passenger rail station that could serve both the Roanoke and New River Valleys would be a huge plus to the overall region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression is that the main protests are not from the individual property owners, but from other residents and from the Montgomery County Board of Supervisors. A centrally located passenger rail station that could serve both the Roanoke and New River Valleys would be a huge plus to the overall region.</p>
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		<title>By: RoanokeRnR</title>
		<link>http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/07/07/intermodal-facility-more-important-than-ever/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>RoanokeRnR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say they should also offer passenger rail service as an incentive.  Put a station in Elliston.  Although I&#039;d prefer one in Roanoke I&#039;d rather go to Elliston than Clifton Forge where Amtrak doesn&#039;t even stop daily.  I think I also read that most of the people who own property where NS want the yard in Elliston have agreed to sell leaving only one hold-out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say they should also offer passenger rail service as an incentive.  Put a station in Elliston.  Although I&#8217;d prefer one in Roanoke I&#8217;d rather go to Elliston than Clifton Forge where Amtrak doesn&#8217;t even stop daily.  I think I also read that most of the people who own property where NS want the yard in Elliston have agreed to sell leaving only one hold-out.</p>
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